Monday, March 13, 2017

Calexit? Fahgettaboudit!

Surprise! The San Francisco Chronicle disapproves of Calexit, the California secession movement. All the efforts to put secession on the ballot for voter consideration is futile, says David Carrillo, a lecturer at Berkeley:

All that will be for naught. Expect the courts to bar this measure from appearing on the ballot — or strike it down if approved by voters — because the initiative process cannot make fundamental changes in the nature of state government. Revising the state Constitution to become an independent nation is the definition of a fundamental change. And citizens can sue to prevent secession because it would deny their rights guaranteed as U.S. citizens.

Right of self-determination? Never heard of it. And besides,

Even if these acts survived judicial review, they would have no legal effect. States have no power to secede: Neither the state nor federal constitutions permit leaving the Union, and the U.S. Supreme Court long ago rejected the idea that states can secede.
Yes, in every independence movement, patriots had to ask permission from the government they wanted to secede from. You remember George Washington begging King George III to let the colonies form their own governments, don't you? You don't? You must be some sort of extremist!

10 comments:

roho said...

Wow!.......So the "Eagles" were always right when they wrote the song "Hotel California"?

"You can check in but you can never check out"?

Larry said...

"You can check-out anytime you like but you can never leave!".

kerdasi amaq said...

States cannot secede but only if the original constitution has been nullified and is no longer in effect.

Now, would any conservative, Republican or cuckservative agree with that?

roho said...

Larry...................Thanks.......I remember it was something like that.

California is going nowhere.........Nowhere............Unless, the Fukishima Radiation makes it unliveable.

D. V. Arminius said...

Judging by recent Anglo emigration from CA, it is already becoming unlivable. Been there lately? Oppressive government, over regulation, crushing taxes, crumbling roads, rampant crime and drug use, etc.

D. V. Arminius said...

There is no mention of secession in the US Constitution. Of course, KA, you could always pencil in your own amendment or twist it further into knots to get your way.

Citizenship test - F.

kerdasi amaq said...

DVA

That's right. Mind you, the way the constitution is supposed to work is: that if the constitution doesn't say that states can't do something, then it's something they can do. i.e. secede

So, the only way D.C. can keep the states in the Union is to set aside the constitution and hold them by force majeure.

Anyway, California should not be allowed to secede: they should be expelled from the Union ASAP.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Amaq,

The (U.S.) Constitution can be ammended without nullification. The (U.S.) Constitution can only be nullified through secession.

Anonymous said...

If the U.S. Constitution clearly prohibited secession, why was it necessary for the Supreme Court to rule against secession ?

Weaver said...

Anon,

the issue was never clearly resolved. It was discussed and intentionally not covered in the drafting of the Constitution. Or so I've been told.

The South was not clearly in the right nor in the wrong to secede. The North, I'd say, was clearly in the wrong to invade the South.

Alaska could certainly secede I'd think - and maybe Hawaii.